> > > Yes, but you risk damage to the chip if you ground it directly > I think you may have misunderstood "ground it directly". Not tied > to ground (although why would you want to have the PIC in > permanent reset, but maybe it's my turn to misunderstand), OK, I still can't read 'ground it directly' different from 'tied to ground' but that might be my problem. Tying MCLR either to ground or Vcc is OK, but to a current source independent from Vcc (such as a cap) is definitely bad. And why would anyone tie /MCLR to ground directly? Well, I do that with a reset switch... When I want a really form reset (of both the PIC and maybe a HD44780 which does not have a reset input) I tie Vcc to Gnd! With an 7805 that is not a big problem and it cures even a brownout-problem. Wouter van Ooijen Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl Jal compiler for PIC uC's: http://www.voti.nl/jal PICs kopen? http://www.voti.nl/shop -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu