My god. You must be the most ungrateful person I have talked to in years. Grow up and figure out how to unsubscribe yourself. Hint: you might read http://www.piclist.com --- James Newton, webmaster piclist.com (former Admin #3) mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 VM 1-208-279-8767 FAX PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org -----Original Message----- From: James Kelley [mailto:robotic@mem.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:28 To: jamesnewton@piclist.com Subject: Re: [ADMIN]: I'm not REALLY a jerk (was Re: [PIC]:Hamming codes) Importance: Low James, My first email was in response to an email I received stating the my mail from the piclist had been turned off. When MR. Botkin responded he to me to check the command list. This I did. Since I seem to be to be the one at fault for receiving the piclist let's end the problem now by removing me from the list. Over the YEARS I've been on the list I have received lots of informative information from the users. The best way to resolve this is to remove me from the piclist. If DALE could go to such lengths monitoring the list and doing such a good job I'm sure that he would be very happy to remove me all together from the list. I just hope he decides to stop with me and not continue with anyone else!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Newton. Admin 3" To: ; "Pic Microcontroller Discussion List" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: [ADMIN]: I'm not REALLY a jerk (was Re: [PIC]:Hamming codes) > Mr. Kelly, (and other list members) after reading all of the below, do you > now understand what happened and why? Do you see the Dale was doing his job > and that you have been placed in a bad position due to the incompetence of > your ISP and NOT by Dale or any other member of the PICList? > > If you don't understand this, please explain why and I will try to explain > it again. > > BTW: I never got the email you apparently sent to me (the one that started > "It's with GREAT DISMAY"...) Apparently your ISP ate it. > > I would personally recommend getting a free email account with Yahoo or > hotmail or whatever. They do know how to run an email server. > > As a matter of fact, Dale is working on sending me a *nix box that I will > pay hosting fees to connect to the internet and I hope to be able to use it > to host email for people who are PICList members. You might be able to use > that box. > > Finally, We are VERY indebted to Dale for putting up with a lot of pressure > from MIT and their list server admins regarding the volume of deliver errors > caused by people with ISPs like yours which has enabled us to keep the list > running. They feel that we had too many errors and were going to close the > PICList as a result. Let me say that again: The PICList exists today because > Dale spend a butt load of his personal time with NO 'efing thanks from > anyone doing exactly what he did to your account. > > Hello? Is anyone hearing that? The PICList almost got shut off and Dale > saved it. Period. I should have said something about that to the list much > earlier. Dale deserves all our gratitude. Tell him so. > > I want to make this a public statement because the same thing may happen to > other list members as a result of a mess up at their ISP. If it does, yell > at your ISP, not at Dale. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Botkin [mailto:dale@botkin.org] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 09:47 > To: pic microcontroller discussion list > Cc: PIClist Admins -- Jory Bell; James Newton; Mike Werner; > robotic@mem.net > Subject: [ADMIN]: I'm not REALLY a jerk (was Re: [PIC]:Hamming codes) > Importance: Low > > > > I really have to admit that I have no clue WHAT this guy is on about. I > set his subscription options to NOMAIL because of a couple dozen error > messages from his mailsever. Specifically, the error was: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > procmail: Error while writing to "/usr/people/robotic/.mail" > 550 ... Can't create output: Error 0 > > Since they were apparently temporary errors, I simply issued a SET PICLIST > NOMAIL command, as I do every day for any number of users whose mailboxes > are full or whatever else. It's part of the job of list admin, which I > volunteered to do and which I spend a couple of unpaid hours per day doing > instead of reading list messages or having a life or whatever. I use the > NOMAIL setting rather than deleting people so their list subscription date > and options don't get nuked. > > Then, in response to his somewhat testy inquiry as to why I "intruded into > his acount", I sent him an explanation of exactly what happened along with > a copy of the error message AND instructions on how to turn his list > messages back on. Apparently this didn't register, as I got another email > asking why it happened. I sent an even more detailed explanation. Now > apparently he's decided I've been abusing him in some way. > > I have run out of ideas for explaining the situation to him. It's pretty > simple, but he seems to just simply not get it. I didn't delete him from > the list (obviously -- otherwise he wouldn't be able to post any more!!!) > but I'm just not getting through to him. Contrary to what people may > think: > > James Newton and I are not brothers, nor aliases for the same person (I > just offered to help out with the job he used to do). > > I don't lie awake at night dreaming up new ways to single out poor list > subscribers at random for unjust treatment. I mean, seriously... > > I don't delete people off the list just for disagreeing with me about > something (puh-leeze) or because I don't like them. I won't even delete > Mr. Kelly from the list. If he wants to be off the list he can bloody > well unsubscribe himself. > > Hate to disappoint anyone, but it's just not that important to me to > feel the raw power of being absolute ruler of a flippin' mailing list. > It's more like something I do simply so a list I really like can contine > to exist. If someone wants to take this job, welcome to the party. > > Yeesh. > > Dale > -- > "Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that > curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly." > - Arnold Edinborough > > > On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, James Kelley wrote: > > > James, > > > > It's with GREAT DISMAY that I found out today that I was > > dismissed from the PICLIST by your friend Dale Botkin. I have not done > > anything to anyone to be treated in such a fashion. I'm not in any way > > related to any terrorist organization. It's truely unbelievable that such > > sickness exists in the backroads of society. Please remove me from the > > PICLIST for good. How people can single out anyone for NO JUST REASON is > > beyond my comprehension. What a sad statement on society when someone who > > has done nothing can be removed from the list for no just reason. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Newton, webmaster" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [PIC]:Hamming codes > > > > > > > source= > > > http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2002\01\31\235015a > > > > > > Don't drop the code just because PICs aren't fast enough! Switch > > > to an SX at 100 MIPS (not MHz, MIPS). You can still code in > > > MPASM. See > > > http://www.sxlist.com for more. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > James Newton: PICList.com webmaster, former Admin #3 > > > mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone > > > http://www.piclist.com/member/JMN-EFP-786 > > > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > > > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > > email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > > > > > > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu