At 04:09 PM 2/4/02 +1300, you wrote: >The scanning frequency itself shouldn't make a difference. What >will affect the brightness is the off to on ratio, and you'll have to >work out what other work the PIC has to do while it is maintaining >regular pulses to the display. For example, shifting new data bits. >Evenly spacing the pulses is also important, so as to keep the >display looking good Mostly what affects the brightness (assuming a reasonable and even refresh rate) is 1) Average LED current 2) LED technology -Ultra-Bright, super-bright, normal high-efficiency, old fashioned GaAs 8-( An average current of 1-20mA/LED is reasonable, so for 1024 LEDs you're looking at a total current of 1A ~ 20A. A PIC port is capable of a couple hundred mA tops. At 150mA, the average LED current (all on) would be only 150 microamps, which is enough to see the LED in a dim room IF it's a super-bright or better, but not enough to really get it bright. Commercial outdoor displays use efficient LEDs and run them at high current (with all kinds of thermal management problems with so many watts per m^2 of display area). Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com 9/11 United we Stand -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.