Al Williams wrote: > > Again, I feel really bad. My intent was not to steal anything from Roman > and I credit his idea on the Web page. I just wanted something similar > that would run on my hardware -- it seems like quite a few people can't > get the other program to run (including me). I even did a Web search for > something similar before writing my own (and yes, there is a Java applet > and several other programs on the Web that does the same thing, but > didn't have a lot of the features I wanted; one of them is $6 > shareware). Please don't feel bad. :o) I apologise if my post sounded like I had animosity toward you, that really isn't true. :o) My decision to stop developing EE-Draw may have sounded bitchy or childish, and although I was more emotional than normal there were many underlying reasons. I saw that at the end of the day, Al and myself would BOTH have done ALL the work, and probably never get more than half the credit. We would both have been forced to copy the other's ideas in order to satisfy user requirements, something i'm not totally happy with. It is also possible that we would indeed end up doing more total work than if one person did the whole thing efficiently. Likewise for "working together" on a project. > http://www.jave.de/ - Free, big, and does most everything. Really more > than Roman or I have even thought about attempting. > > http://www.sigsoftware.com/emaileffects/index.html > > http://www.goldbay.com/joeh/AsciiDraw.html - I thought about starting > with this guy's source code, but I wanted a break from Java. > > http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-4003619-100-874098.html?tag=st.dl.1 > 0001-103-1.lst-7-2.874098 Thanks! Will check out. > I'm not selling ASCIICad so I'm not profiting off Roman's idea, which he > was (mostly) giving away anyway. > > His library ideas are far in advance of anything I will do with > ASCIICAD, and I hope he will continue to develop his program. Roman's > right that my program does not capture what a lot of people on the list > asked for. I wrote it for myself and so it fits my needs and runs on my > hardware. Since Roman was good enough to share his creation freely, I > thought it would be good to do the same. In retrospect, I'd probably > just keep it to myself :-) Ha ha, it was bad enough with ONE of us being a cry-baby! ;o) Seriously, please don't feel that you have done anything wrong, I sensed in your posts the same joy I was experiencing working on a "cool" project. I never felt that you committed an evil act, just that much of the payoff for me dissipated when my work became "one more in the crowd" rather than "the ultimate little doo-dad". It's a personality issue, I come here for enjoyment, not business, and the fun of making something high-perf and unique is what drives me through those long nights in front of the keyboard. :o) > Again Roman, my apologies and I regret you feel like something has been > taken from you or that my attitude was (quoting from your message): "ha > ha I can do that too" -- nothing could be further from the truth. Whoops! Actually my meaning was more: "we WILL be forced to play 'ha ha I can do that too'". That was the future I saw that didn't impress me much. :o) > I have certainly had similar experiences. Those of you who are hams > might remember my PSKGNR software (also free). It work with G3PLX's PSK > software and at one time I estimate that 70-80% of the hams using PSK31 > used my software. Now there is other software that works by itself and > only a small group of people still use PSKGNR. If I had not been giving > it away, I might have found time to develop an "all in one" version of > PSKGNR. But I was giving it away, so I was glad to see even more free > software that my program had influenced. I even gave some of the other > authors advice. > > So again, accept my apologies Roman. If you like, I won't announce any > new changes I make on the list. NO! Please don't change anything on my behalf, especially a change that would result in no program being developed at all. Please use any of my library ideas etc that I have mentioned here, and enjoy. I'll offer suggestions etc if you like. That way only one of us has to do the work and everybody gets back to being friends. :o) -Roman -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads