> The suggestion to use a higher V cell with dropping diodes > still isn't an option though. > > The circuit takes 1.6V at 85nA, which I think is ideal for > alkalines. The 4 diodes in series with a lithium cell will use > just as much power (0.136uW) as the circuit itself The milliamp hour rating of 85 nA is 85E-9A * 8765 Hour/year *1000 mA/A mAH = 0.75 mAH/year 10 years = 7.5 mAH ! This will give you a full 10 year shelf life off all but the very smallest Lithium cell. Same for an Alkaline cell but with a reduced shelf life (5 years?) Working backwards from an incomplete battery table, even a tiny "230" cell = 6mm x 4mm probably has a capacity of 10 to 30 mAH depending on chemistry. A similar charging current is not liable to do any damage (or quite possibly, I suspect, have any significant charging action) on practical batteries. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu