Hi all We are all great fans of the pic, I'm trying to use the PIC16F877 for a project, my boss is forcing me to use 8051, I need 30 I/O lines including 2 serial ports and eeprom space where my F877 fits perfectly. I searched through most of the 8051 family but couldn't do it with a single chip. He argues that the pic has awkward architecture with small memory map and poor support for compilers. Looking at the F877 I think it's the opposite, it has large memory and a great architecture and lots of peripherals and 2 fast, there are also lots of good compilers around. Any suggestions, comments, feedback welcome. thanx -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.