Tal, The card you are programming is this. http://www.maxking.com/images/mm2gold.gif and the programmer you need is this http://www.maxking.com you can use picstart+ to program the pic and any eeprom programmer. Andre Abelian Hi all A friend ask me to program for him a smart card. What is that card? I search on the 'net and find out that this card is a combination of 16F84 + 24XXX. Where do I get info for this card? What programmer should he use? Are there "files" on the 'net to program it? Any info/web sites will be appreciated. Tal -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu