i have jdm84 programmer with PIX113b software which is working very nicely. i am totally satisfied with this can any body give pix software version which can be used with jdm84 programmer with little modification to programme 16Fxxx series pic microcontrollers akbar patil -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.