> I have not tried either, because the blip does not happen on > the plastic parts - only on the JW versions. It must have > something to do with the startup time of the JW parts It sounds strange because the 508 has been around for such a long time the bugs must be well and truly out of it by now. It may still be a window issue, or even a wonky chip Of all the micros I've used that have JW parts for development I don't recall any problems when moving to the OTP. That said, what you're experiencing makes a good case for flash uChip have obviously taken a shot at what will likely be most used in production (C) and what will appeal to the hobbyist (F), very generally speaking -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics