I have an EPIC Pocket programmer and I want to program 16C771 20 pin dip PICs. To do this I will have to update my software from v2.11 :-( and buy a 8/18/20 Zif connector, total $45 before I pay shipping or tax! Consequently, I'm looking for a new programmer that will ideally program the 16C771SP and the 16F873SP. I'm considering the 'PICALL PIC Programmer' which I can get from http://www.electronics123.com/amazon/default.htm for $70 ish. Any comments on this purchase? I'm happy to solder etc but I won't walk a mile to save a penny. Ted Mawson Ted.Mawson@PortfolioPM.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu