>If the transistor has a beta (Ic/Ib) of 100, and the collector current is >300mA, then the base current is 3mA, NOT 30mA. I'm not sure where the "10% of >the collector current" rule came from, but I think it's wrong. You will not get a transistor to saturate if you use the published beta value to get the base current. Transistors in saturation always have the base overdriven to force the device right into saturation. In the case of bipolar transistors this is known as "forced beta", as the common way of doing it is to drive the base with a current that is many times what is normally expected for the same collector current in linear operation. The general rule of thumb is to use a forced beta of 10 to get a transistor saturated to the point where the C-E voltage is really at it's minimum possible. If one worked on a forced beta of 25, I think you would find the voltage would go up to 0.3 to 0.4. If you relied on the published beta value the saturation will rise to about the B-E voltage, in other words about 3 times what is achievable. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body