>The strange part is that the thing was still counting properly, power or not! If only every chip ran like that! You were powering it through the protection diodes. As long as one input is high, and you have ground, they will run. However, you were in danger of CMOS latchup, and as you noted, the outputs are pretty bad. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads