> > The crystal connected won't matter in ICSP. > > Except that without a crystal (or with a low-frequency crystal) the > /MCLR > rise time (from vcc to vpp) is easier to meet, because this rise time is > expressed in osc periods. For which reason I put a normal Si diode with A to OSCin and K to /MCLR in ICSP-capable designs ... the pwrte timer does the rest (even if off it takes longer for the crystal to start than the rise time of even the slowest /MCLR driver). Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu