> Another option would be a colored plasic sheet with 7 segments > masked off, lit by brake lamps under PIC control with MOSFET > drivers. No moving parts, which I like better Filament bulbs ? Not fussy about those unless you run them under- voltage to extend lifetime. "grain of wheat" neons perhaps behind a diffuser What I really objected to with LEDs was all that soldering. It took me the best part of half a day to solder up a 7 x 64 and I reckon you'd be looking at 30 hours (at what cost ?) to make a large 7-seg display. Imagine the tedium - LED after LED after LED.... -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu