The other day I followed a truck that utilized LED brake lights and turn signals. Plenty bright even in direct sunlight. Don't know if these are special high brightness led's, but they would make a good 7 segment sign. They appeared to be about 3/8" in diameter and were red. The turn signal arrow was made up of 11 LEDS, and was about 4" x 3". Really looked good. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu