I don't know if this is really OT, but I need to buy an ICE for PIC18's and I am hoping that someone has recommendations for me as to what to buy and what to avoid. I also work with 16F627/8's and 16F84A's, and would like one tool for all, if possible. I've gotten by with the Microchip-supplied Simulator until now, and my latest experience tells me that I need more tools. What say ye Grand High Exalted Experts? TIA, Chris -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.