Hi, Located in Europe :) My company uses mostly Delphi but unfortunately have to code much new stuff in VB ( customer requirment ). Myself I'm completely sold for Builder, as you say one can concentrate on the 'real' stuff and not the ittybitty stuff as with MS Visual C. ( although I use it from time to time ) /Tony -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.