Vasile, I think you're right. I can't find any other DIP programmable array that will do what I want. Someone did make a good point about using some sort of NVRAM/EEPROM/EPROM, and Lord knows I have a ton of windowed EPROMs I could erase and re-use, but I like the GAL better due to its size. I do have CUPL, just have to get a 5.25" floppy drive working to read the disks!! I've hand-assembled GAL files before, could propbably remember how to do it with a little work. It isn't rocket science. Someone else suggested a couple of families I had already considered and rejected due to lack of a DIP package. It's just too difficult to try to prototype a PLCC or surface mount package on a asolderless breadboard, which is a requirement for this project. Yes, I know there are DIP adapters available, but now the cost is raised considerably for something I'll use exactly once. So now it's just a toss-up to see if it's less of a pain in the tush to design and program a GAL for this thing or just use a PIC. All it's doing is taking some signals in from the master and remote station pushbuttons and deciding which audio channels to enable. I plan to have one "call the master" and one "page everyone" button on each remote station, and the master will have selective call and page-all buttons. There will be one background music channel on all the time to all stations and a separate intercom audio channel. The remotes will have some very simple logic to turn the audio sources on and off as needed, but the master will require more work. I'll see how many pins I'm really going to need and go from there. By the way -- anyone following this thread have any more recent sofware for the ALL-02 (also osld as the JDR MOD-MUP)? Mine dates back to the original stuff JDR delivered with it back in (I think) 1991. Hi-Lo doesn't support it any more and has no software or documentation on their web site any more. Dale -- "Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly." - Arnold Edinborough On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Vasile Surducan wrote: > Dale, the best alternative for a Gal is just a Gal. It has free software > for a simple homebrew programmer and a free dos compiler (Palasm). > If you need the programmer schematic and software then mail me. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads