I just found this article (old): http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2649757,00.html If they are right, then HP is not so bad off. 800 pages per black cartridge for a $37 cartridge works out to about 400 true useful pages a' about 10 cents each. Not so bad. You would go through a 500 page pack of paper on one cartridge and have some spare left (I assume heavy b/w graphics like printed circuit boards with lots of black fill). Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu