As fixed regulators tend to be cheaper than power resistors, I prefer to use an other regulator in front with even better results, let=B4= s=20 say you got 24V and need 5V with like 100mA, so take a 12V regulator first=20 (24V-12V=3D12V*100mA=3D1.2W) and than the 5V regulator (12V-5V=3D7V*100mA=3D0.7W) and you get off without= =20 needing the extra cap, which results even cheaper. Friedel At 09:30 p.m. 13/11/01 +0200, you wrote: >For regulators with a large voltage drop across them the power drain of >the regulator proper becomes a significant part of Pd at low loads. With >devices used without a heatsink this can be the straw that breaks the >camel's back and cause strange faults in cased devices (regulator enters >thermal shutdown under hard to duplicate conditions - i.e. at the >customer's location, over the bridge, down the lane, etc, on hot Sundays >exclusively). > >Pdreg =3D U1 * Iddreg + (U1 - U0) * Iload > >7805 series regulators use little extra Iddreg to drive the output >transistors because they are darlingtons and the base currents also flow >to the load. With other regulators this is not so. > >The self-heating problem is especially visible with TO92 regulators. The >usual fix is to add a R in series with the voltage input such that at max. >load Uin on the regulator is higher than the required min. input voltage. >A decoupling capacitor is required after the resistor. > >R =3D (U1 - Uinmin) / Iloadmax > >It is possible to split an arbitrary part of the power to be dissipated >into the resistor (i.e. 50%, 80% etc) and it need not be just one >resistor, it can be a series combo. Me, when I do this, I arrange for the >power dissipation in each device to be equal (including in the regulator), >so I have no hot spots on the board (with similar sized devices - e.g. >TO220 7805 and 2W resistors). The formula for that is: > >Rtot =3D (U1 - Uload) / (2 * Iload) > >This is inefficient but nobody cares whether a couple of resistors >dissipate 2W in a unit that draws 100 or 3000W. You can put other things >in series if the current is reasonably constant, like dial lights, pilot >lights, anti-dew heaters, LCD backlights, even a small fan with >decoupling. The fan trick is neat because as the circuit draws more >current the fan accelerates ... (assuming DC brushless fan). > >A 7805 TO220 is not to dissipate more than about 1.5W without a heatsink >(at 50C ambient) and it will run very hot to the touch at that. Up to >about 1W into a device of that size will keep it 'touchably' warm. At >24Vin and 5 Vout that is less than 50mA total, leaving only 40mA for the >load (acc. NS data book). > >With an 'equal dissipation' R the current can be doubled under the same >conditions (R =3D 180 Ohms, 2W). Decouple the regulator input after the >resistor with 10 uF 16V to GND. The resistor will run about as hot as the >TO220 case (not as hot as the TO220 case without the R). This will allow >loads up to 80mA and may save your design as is now (cut trace, connect >resistor with wires - after packing it in heatshrink tubing and add >decoupling capacitor on bottom of board - if you have room). Remember that >heat does not go away, you will have to put the resistor in a place where >it does not heat something else - like making ugly dents in the plastic >case after a while). > >Peter > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics