Hi Jim, Was at a Microchip Seminar in Sydney yesterday, they said Picstart Plus 2 which is USB driven is due soon as is ICD2 which is also USB with RS-232. FYI Glen This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads