Is anyone aware of either and in circut 16C54C programmer or a simple and cheap programmer similar to what was avalible for the 16C/F84's Regards Andrew -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads