Herbert, Try the C2C compiler. Can't remember the website at the moment but do a search in Google. the site is the one at Geocities. Download from the Ger= man site you can choose English or German version. Its not totally free but y= ou will be able to use it and if you need to buy it then, it can be bought f= rom www.matrixmultimedia.co.uk or www.epemag-wimborne.co.uk fromtheir shop pa= ge. cost =A349.00 inc a C tutorial colin -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics