At 18:35 11/03/2001 +0100, Wojciech Zabolotny wrote:
>On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 10:32:19AM -0200, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> > At 06:47 11/03/2001 +1100, Orbit Communications wrote:
> > >Do children then buy games and have engineers commissions to install
> them ?
> >
> > Children should not install programs on NT, IMO -- unless they have system
> > engineer equivalent knowledge. There is a reason why NT has all these
> > security settings and different user groups, for example. And there is a
> > reason why consumer systems don't have something like this.
>
>Well, if you have to share the PC with your children, I'm sure you'll need
>at least different users and access control. Otherwise your brave 4 years
>old boy will destroy all your work just playing with mouse and icons...

I also have a shared computer here, with a completely separate partition
for each of the users (and all other partitions hidden). Is even better
IMO... because I can allow them to install programs, but if they screw it
up, it's only their own system that they screw up.

>On my Linux box my son may only srew up his account and nothing else. If I
>had no Linux, probably I'd need to buy at least NT...
>So I don't agree that consumer systems do not need users, group etc,

This is exactly my point. You don't let your son install Linux system
files, do you? You let a person who knows what he does do this, I assume.
This was the original poster's point: he wanted a system so easy to use
that _everybody_ could mess around with system files. Linux is not such a
system, and NT isn't either -- even though some have the opinion it should
be. (It's not for nothing hat the priviledges for such a user account are
called "administrator"... :)

With "consumers" I mean the general, non-techincal user that makes 90% of
Microsoft's clientele. Most of them don't want to know about user
permissions etc., because this is more than they want to learn in order to
being able to operate a computer. I didn't say they don't need it or could
not make good use of it if they knew about it, but I know that most don't
want to learn about it.

Neither Linux nor NT is written for such people. So if you want ot use
Linux or NT, you better see yourself as some kind of sys admin or get
yourself one, because the system needs some kind of administration. (Which
makes both different from the "consumer" systems that are supposed to work
without an administrator.) You obviously are the sys admin of your system,
and you do it because you see the benefit of it. Which is exactly my point...

ge

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