> " The rule to go slow only when children present > is one of the examples of a "responsible restriction" " > > In reality, it seems it has to do with the *much* stiffer > fines imposed as the penalty for such a violation (deduced > from having talked with those who live in abject fear of > seeing such a fine imnposed). > > It's also the *prime* reason I observe those speed > restrictions. (It always seems that there are *no* > kids in sight 4 out of 5 times I'm proceeding through > those zones too.) It makes sense that children aren't present most of the time. And this of course greatly raises the risk to them when they are present. It's the old "familiarity breeds contempt" principle - if we almost always find the danger isn't there (especially if it is a danger to someone else and not to us) then after a while we tend to dismiss it as irrelevant and ignore it. Not MANY children die at schools due to cars. Arguably (and some will argue) even one is too many. The only successful way found to deal with human nature seems to be to ensure both that a danger is ALWAYS present and that the danger is to the driver - hence the draconian penalties involved. From what people have been saying here, it works. Ideally a more sensible solution should be available but human nature tends to work against it. Having said that, interestingly, in this country we do not have such regulations at school crossings. Maybe this confirms the excessive nature of the regulations in other countries or maybe driver behaviour is different? School patrols with swing out signs and compulsory vehicle stopping are almost universal before and after school and this seems to produce the desired result. Woe betide the driver who crosses a controlled crossing when the school patrol signs are out! Why this should work here and not require extra restrictions I don't know - I doubt that we value our children any more or less here than elsewhere. We do have regulations re overtaking stopped school buses and the occasional tragedy when these are ignored. regards Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu