-----Original Messages----- cut David, I've done this, so I'll try to shed a little light... Also written among others: VCRs were tried and abandoned as data storage devices many years ago. Among the problems with analog VCRs include the probability of loss of frames or noise, etc. The quickness of the list is great. As with any questions there are the answers you want to hear and the ones you wish you did not have to hear:) What I am looking at doing is using a VCR as a playback/control unit for a laser display. Having the music sync'ed by being on the tape with the control signals would be a plus. I am also looking at getting out as cheaply as possible. I understand that perhaps a VCR is not the highest speed, best device around - but the cost makes it attractive. So here is my idea - given that one frame consists of 512 horizontal lines, repeated 30 times per second (NTSC), then if you were to encode just 8 bits on say 400 lines out of 512, there should be enough data - I imagine to do control and display. I would not think this would be asking a lot from a VCR setup. After doing an initial search on "VCR data storage" I wrote the original email to the list. After sending the email, I did another search on "understanding video signals". One of the hits was for www.rt66.com/dthomas/pic/pong.html . This was a project a gentleman did that used a single 16C711 PIC and a few other components to re-create the famous Pong game. The really neat thing is that the PIC program is divided into two sections - 1st is a "video engine" that setups the timing and all for outputting a NTSC signal. The 2nd part of the program is the "user part" which is the Pong game itself. His whole reasoning was to create a video engine that could be used for various applications by just changing the user part of the program. I have downloaded the info. Unfortunately for me, he wrote the program using the Tech Tools/Parallax PIC mnemonics. I am currently converting the code back to standard MicroChip mnemonics so I can better understand it. Thanks to the list for all the input. David V. Fansler DFansler@MindSpring.com www.DV-Fansler.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads