My brother has a weird system in his old '86 Ford Laser (Australia). Engine won't start unless you touch a small inoccuously placed rivet with your finger. I admit I have no idea how this works. Had a double-take when I first saw the subject-line, too - I thought, "Now who's advocating Grand Theft Auto on our Piclist?" I'd have to disagree with the "no-one steals an old bomb" statement. My '84 Telstar is shabby and shot through with rust, but it got nicked and used in a small-time robbery before being returned to the car-park it was in and another Telstar stolen as the getaway car. I think my club-lock would have deterred this type of thief if I'd actually used it :-/ Cheers, -Dave. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu