I would say that Microchip is manipulating the market, as I can not see weather 1million or 1.5million being produced would alter cost to the manufacturer. Is it that the 16F628 had a shorted design cycle (because most of the work was done on the F84?) than the 16F84 ?? I do not know. My biggest gripe is why their is no medium level suppliers around, I can go local and buy 1-25 at a reasonable price, but the price sucks for say 100 - 500, and microchip will not touch me with A a decent order, or B a Credit Card, which as a pensioner I can not get as I do not make much money, and most of the stuff I build is for personal use, or supplying kits for courses I was running as a volunteer teacher to "kids at risk" Regards, Kat. ____________________________________________________________________________ /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. Electronics \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software and Electronic Engineering X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Perth Western Australia / \ | Ph +61 419 923 731 ____________________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Brown" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [OT]: why are Atmels so cheap vs. PICs > > > Currently in Hong Kong the PIC16F84A-04/P cost me $US1.92 in lots of > > > several 100 while the Atmel AT89C2051-24PC costs me $US0.63 and > > > AT90S1200-12PC are $US1.26. > > > > > > Consequently, in my current projects I am telling former PIC > > > developers that I want an Atmel uC. If they cannot do it, sorry. > > > > > > Why are general PIC uC's so expensive? > > > > Try designing with the 16F627 in mind instead of the 16F84. > > I second that. I use the AT89C2051 and PIC16F84 in some projects > and I like them both, but the PIC16F627 blows them away for > hardware features, and as someone else pointed out recently, is > around half the cost of the F84. > > Which raises another question: why are the PIC16F627 and > PIC16F628 so much cheaper than the PIC16F84 which they can > easily replace? > > Brent Brown > Electronic Design Solutions > 16 English Street > Hamilton, New Zealand > Ph/fax: +64 7 849 0069 > Mobile/text: 025 334 069 > eMail: brent.brown@clear.net.nz > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body