Bad luck, Lawrence, and I bother about my 11-yr old BMW... ;-) About two years ago, I witnessed a demo by the Israel-based company OTI (on track innovations), while I was working for the German subsidiary (better: licensee) for LoJack Systems (basically a company that will find your car after being stolen). The OTI guys took one of the company Volkswagens, installed their gadgets, and then we saw that this car was practically useless if the right security key was not present. Their trick: the different circuit breakers communicate over the standard 12V system inside ther vehicle, something like powerline communications. The _good_ point is: You may know this system is built into the car you are trying to borrow - but you don't have one clue where all the breakers are located, and you would have to dismantle pracically the whole car to find them - no wires to follow as in traditional alarm systems. The Israeli people have about the same number of cars stolen as do the Germans per year (some 50000), but (Peter L. Peres may comment further...) in Germany we have abt 40 M cars, in Israel there are 1.5 M cars. In Israel your insurance company decides on the system put in your car, otherwise you will not get insurance! Best of all: This can be done with PICs! ;-) Greets Jochen Feldhaar DH6FAZ Lawrence Lile schrieb: > -- Lawrence Lile > Sr. Project Engineer > Salton inc. Toastmaster Div. > 573-446-5661 Voice > 573-446-5676 Fax > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body