Maybe it is a stupid suggestion ... but I thought of it as well, so does that make me ... ;) Seriously though, I've tried two pics, but haven't swapped in the last few attempts. I'll try another one today. Thanks, ATM --- andy n1yew wrote: > Sounds stupid.. but is your PIC dead? > > i had a programmer do that and it was the pic.. > > also try bulk erasing it > > > andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads