just for info i have interfaced chips from http://www.ftdichip.com to pics, dead easy. They have a parrallel one which is effectivly 8 bit plus stobe which I can run at up to about 5 mbitper sec or a serial version. They also have a vitual com port driver for the pc end so that it apears as com 3 or 4. this can be directly driven from hypeterm or you VB prog. that way you dont even have to know about USB, end pointd etc. kevin QinetiQ Standard Internet Disclaimer: "The information contained in this e-mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the intended recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful." -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu