Russell McMahon wrote: >There is nothing in nature that DEMANDS the <= 100% that we are used to. >The >laws of thermodynamics are simply statements of (invariably) observed >"fact" This is essentially correct, except that the law of conservation of energy (which is related, via Noether's theorem, to symmetry with respect to time translation) has been so successful in every experiment ever done, that it is as close to a "true fact" as you are likely to find anywhere in physics. Similar comments apply to conservation of linear momentum (related to symmetry with respect to spatial translation) and angular momentum (related to symmetry with respect to rotations). You may have heard the story of the "invention" of the neutrino. In the late 1920's, it appeared that beta decay violated conservation of momentum. Rather than throw the conservation law out the window, most physicists accepted Pauli's suggestion that there must be another, unseen particle that would account for the apparently missing momentum. The belief in the conservation laws was so strong that physicists were willing to accept the existence of a particle for which there was *no* other evidence! 25 years later, the neutrino was observed directly, and that belief was thus shown to have been justified. The connection between conservation laws and symmetries of spacetime, embodied in Noether's theorem, is very deep and very important. >(up until recently). Some of the "facts" that people seem to be observing >at >stellar distances suggest processes that do not fit the laws as we know >them. [...] None of this has anything to do with conservation of energy. The existence of dark matter or a "fifth force" or a non-zero cosmological constant, none of these violate the conservation laws. They challenge some aspects of the Standard Model, but they do not suggest violation of the conservation laws (although the recent indications that the fine-structure constant might change slightly over time could challenge global time symmetry, which could, in turn, indicate a small change in global energy conservation). >You can, theoretically, using Einsteinian rules, build a time machine >[...] This is correct insofar as there are valid spacetime topologies that exhibit closed time-like loops. But it remains to be seen how the universe would deal with violations of causality. Just because something does not violate classical general relativity does not mean it is physically possible. For one thing, classical GR can't be the complete theory of gravity because it is incompatible with quantum mechanics. The main reason for this posting is to point out that recent astrophysical indications that there is still a lot to learn about our universe do not necessarily challenge the conservation laws. Indeed, the conservation laws have been so widely, wildly successful that it will be a long, long time, and only in the face of very convincing evidence, before physics would abandon them. Michael Thank you for reading my little posting. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.