I am looking for some free stuff I can use in the IEEE robotics club at the U of S to allow beginners to program PICs. Here is what I want: GNU basic compiler, must support 16f87x, can be a limited version. I.e. Free to 1k or 2k. This will only be used to write simple programs. GNU C compiler same criteria as the basic compiler. Programmer schematic. Something simple, that will hopefully support ICP. Again must support 16f87x _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.