Ok, this may be a stupid question, but can I program a 16F628 with a no-parts pic programmer? I seem to have fried my 16F84A, and several people suggested I look at a 16F628 as an alternative. However, I don't want to build another programmer. Thanks, James. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics