>For pirate copying a mass product it may be _way_ cheaper to buy a $10K >programmer than to reverse engineer the software. I don't think the CD >copying machines used in China are much cheaper than $10K. In matter of fact the CDs are injection molded not copied as the CDRs and the CD production line may cost about $500K, but will produce millions of CD per month so it pays-off very quick. Best regards Tsvetan --- PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb (http://www.olimex.com/pcb) Development boards for PIC, AVR and MSP430 (http://www.olimex.com/dev) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.