> Dale Thank you Dale. And may I re-iterate my previous post in vanilla, coincidentally words of one syllable "Ask not what your list can do for you, ask what you can do for your list" I have nothing further to say on the subject - compared with things going on in my private life, coping on a bicycle with drivers that have send-4-box-tops licences, and an 18 hour workday, complainers come a very poor 57th on the list -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.