> Hi James, > I agree that was a good solution with Kadafi. It is important to look > at the culture when considering how to "teach a lesson". Some cultures > respect power, might and the resultant use of it.....at the same time some > cultures do not respect peaceful solutions as they actually view that as > weakness. In a way, those types of cultures do not allow peaceful solutions > to take place. As it says in the bible and also in the song from the 60's > that I like to hear once in a while....."there is a time for everything". I > wish that I could get a copy of the National Geographic special from the mid > 80's that covered the fighters in the Afghan/Russian war. It was > exceptional in providing insight into the way the Afghan's think. I watched > it on TV (I seem to remember around 1985 or 86) and it was ingrained into my > memory very clearly ever since...which is saying alot for a TV documentary > seen 15 years ago. In that National Geographic special, they covered an > individual that was especially talented at using stinger missiles at downing > Russian helos, a group of fighters, and interviews of the fighters. They > showed coverage of the fighters that had actually been mortally injured. > These people believed that they bypassed the mid-level waiting area of their > version of heaven and went straight to their version of heaven. They > believed that if they cried out in pain they would not become martyrs and > lose this opportunity. The dying person who had horrible injuries, in fact > did not cry out at all as he died...nor did he have pain killers. The > fighters regularly used hashish as a tool for morale. I believe that this > aided in their way of thinking. Also, during an interview with one of these > fighters...Afghanistan has been at war for decades, he expressed shock at > their then "allies", the USA, in that they had so many bombs, planes, and > weapons and yet they DIDN'T WANT to be at war with anyone. He stated that > he would surely be using these weapons to go to war with someone if it was > at his disposal. It was a very eye opening insight for me then and until > now, I'm impressed with that documentary. With that in mind, I do not > believe there is a peaceful solution with these people and that current > world affairs has nothing to do with the affairs that are currently going on > in that country....the Afghanistans REALLY like to fight, as documented then, >and it has become a way of life > for them....to include forms of guerilla warfare and terrorism. Russia did > not succeed with quelling Afghanistan and that was during the height of the > cold war. Afghanistan was to Russia what Vietnam was to the USA. > Regards, > Mike Kendall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Newton. Admin 3" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [OT]: Tragedy > > > > We also put a lot into rebuilding Japan and Germany (and Italy?) after > WWII > > (having learned from WWI that oppressing the conquered nation would lead > to > > a consuming hatred and another war). I think the bombing of Kaquadafi's > > (sp?) palace is a better lesson of how to stop it. Don't hurt the people, > > just teach the leader a lesson. > > > > --- > > James Newton, Admin #3 mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com > > 1-619-652-0593 VM 1-208-279-8767 FAX > > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Nick Taylor > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 08:10 > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > > Subject: Re: [OT]: Tragedy > > > > > > Benjamin Bromilow wrote: > > > > > > Can you honestly say that kicking arse (or whatever you favour) will > make > > > their hatred and the hatred of their children any less? Wake up and get > > > real. If you want civility in the world you have to lead by example. > > > > I heartily agree with you on one point Ben. The US, the UK, and others > > need to apologize for our past exploitation of third world countries ... > > and start treating them as equals. But, just leading by example is not > > enough to prevent terrorist attacks. > > > > As horrible as it was, Hiroshima and Nagasaki showed the world that a > > nuclear world war is unthinkable. We must show the world that terrorist > > attacks are also unthinkable. How? By destroying the infrastructure > > of all nations that support or promote terrorism. Halfway measures will > > not work. We've learned that with the help of Saddam Hussein. Invasion > > will not work. We learned that in Viet Nam and Afghanistan (I hope). > > Mass destruction and loss of life will work ... as we learned in 1945. > > > > Let us pray that Mr. Bush, Mr. Blair, and the rest of the western > > world will make choices that lead to a world that is free of the fear > > of terrorism. > > > > -Nick T. > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! 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