lol, you can think what you want. Im not saying that I dislike Americans but I am pointing out that America as a nation don't have a right to do some of the things they do. I am also pointing out that allot of people do not like America because of these things. I think that saying these people envy Americas wealth and freedom is not 100% true, lots of Arabs are extremely rich and most of those who are not do not see material wealth as important. I am not Anti-American, Im not glad of what happened, Im not stirring people up. Im just saying that you have to step back and look at the WHOLE picture, not just the events in New York. You have to try and understand why it was done, not just get yourself raged up strike out in anger. "I'm going to attempt to contact your employer to pass on to them some of your emails", well thats real mature. I take it you would be trying to have me persecuted for my views, that's a good example of democracy and freedom now isn't it! Why do you think they would want to know? Do you understand that all email in the company passes through a sweeper and is monitored anyway? I think there are others on the list who would agree that you need to try and see issues from every point of view or any actions taken will end up causing more problems. Blind attacks on people or nations suspected would create another generation of fanatics and greater reason for them to want to strike out at the west. Maybe you should think about things too? Justin. BTW how do I unsubscribe from the off-topic posts? I want to subscribe only to [PIC] posts as it seems people only want to hear certain things within off-topic posts and if I have upset lots of people here (of which I doubt) then I will give up trying to reason and just get on with projects. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kendall [mailto:ke6cvh@THE-I.NET] Sent: 13 September 2001 07:36 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tragedy Yes Justin, the Americans are hated by many people in the world who fear and/or don't have what they want. The Americans have a way of life that is very alien to some who live under a dictatorship, or cannot choose their own religion, or have been programmed through propoganda etc.. You live in the UK or Canada?? You stike me as the type of personality that would be seen as a flag burner during a broadcast demonstration on the news. You have also succeeded in pissing off many people on this great listserv. I resent you for voicing your unwelcomed and anti-american/anti-free world opinions and also for bringing down this listserv several notches through your attempts to stir everyone up. I'm going to attempt to contact your employer to pass on to them some of your emails. You are very immature. You have the right to your own opinion....but also you have the right to be disliked because of it also. You are a real jerk Justin. Mike Kendall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Fielding" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tragedy > Very well said, I find it amazing that most Americans cannot understand why > people would want to do this. Don't they understand how much they are hated > around the world? Don't they understand why? I think some will start to > realize. > > Justin Fielding > IT Operations Analyst > TV Travelshop > > > -----Original Message----- > From: D Lloyd [mailto:dan.lloyd@GB.ABB.COM] > Sent: 13 September 2001 09:21 > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tragedy > > > You cannot ask the dead what they want - they are dead. So, instead of > speculating, how about thinking that dead people most likely did not want > to die. Just like anyone else in the world right now.... > > And significant numbers will if your country just decides to destroy > indiscriminately so you can call get your "butt" > > It's not time for "kickin' ass" just because you can - that is why this > happened to you in the first place. > > Dan > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > cc: > From: John Craft > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tragedy > > > > I think the bastards will get what they deserve, a missile up the rear. > They have awaken the sleeping giant that hasn't raised it's head since > WWII. > The government will give them what they deserve because that's what the > people here want, not the reverse. They brought the fight to us and I know > they don't understand what this means to them and every other terrorist > hiding about. I don't want justice, I want some butt. > > Yes, I understand that this is a "BAD" position to take, but ask the dead > what they want..... > > Jc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Choat [mailto:rc@KENAI.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:03 PM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Tragedy > > > Again you mistake the US government for the US people. They are not the > same > and do not act the same. Do you think all people blindly support their > government? Killing civilians is wrong anywhere in the world for any reason > and most people everywhere believe this. You don't understand Americans > because while everyone in your neighborhood from your view is "Sheeple" its > not that way in my neighborhood. No our government is not perfect. I look > at > it like this: We are all standing in buckets of sh*t, but the USA bucket is > the least full. This bucket is the best place to try to make an empty > bucket > from. Now look in your bucket and continue to worry about mine..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Fielding" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:27 AM > Subject: [OT] RE: Tragedy > > > > The way the American Government act, and the way the American people > blindly > > support it (thinking that the USA rule the world). > > > > Justin Fielding > > IT Operations Analyst > > TV Travelshop > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Raymond Choat [mailto:rc@KENAI.NET] > > Sent: 12 September 2001 13:23 > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > > Subject: Re: Tragedy > > > > > > Americans or American Government. Get it right. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin Fielding" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Tragedy > > > > > > > BTW my posts are not saying that the civilian loss in New York is > > > acceptable, it's not, but I can see why it has happened in the way that > > > America acts in International affairs. The pentagon was however a > valid > > > target. > > > > > > Justin Fielding > > > IT Operations Analyst > > > TV Travelshop > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@JPS.NET] > > > Sent: 12 September 2001 07:12 > > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > > > Subject: Re: Tragedy > > > > > > > > > Salah Mohammed, > > > Very well said! Many in this world have reason (and the right) to > > > dislike or hate the United States, but NOBODY has the right to commit > > > the horrendous acts of terrorism that in toady's news. My fears are > > > that this will degenerate into a long term (maybe endless) battle > > > between the US and the Arab world ... much as has been going on > > > in the middle east between Palestine and Israel ... only on a much > > > larger scale. Remember the US and Viet Nam. Remember the USSR and > > > Afghanistan. Military might and technology are no match against > > > dedicated nationalists in a guerilla war short of total annihilation. > > > I pray that cooler heads prevail. We cannot, we must not, drop > > > nuclear bombs on Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Morocco, > > > Algeria ... and then hunt down the survivors and murder them. > > > May Allah be with you Salah Mohammed, > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > -Nick T. > > > > > > Salah Mohammed wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Nick, > > > > To you and to all those talking about this tragedy ....first I am > > > > Arabian and specifically from IRAQ but I am living in Japan now ....3 > > > years > > > > ago I ran away from my country ... > > > > I am deeply sad and depressed coz of this tragedy .... Dear Nick if > the > > > USA > > > > made a mistakes against the other countries so it is not a solution > to > > > make > > > > the same mistake with the USA ...who has the right to kill all of > those > > > > people ha ..tell me who has the right? > > > > it is completely stupid work .... if they are Muslims I am muslims > > too,but > > > > be sure in Islam rules nobody in this world has the right to kill or > > send > > > > anybody to the other world but Allah(God) ....my heart is bleeding > for > > > that > > > > tragedy ...smile of a baby is much expensive than this world > ........the > > > bad > > > > thing will happen if the USA will try to revenge upon those stupids > .... > > > > peace ...peace ...peace ... > > > > > > > > Allah will help us > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Salah Mohammed > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? 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