This discussion is really interesting! I have been dreaming about intelligent nodes to do simple functionality = in my homer and/or office. The PIC and the AVR processors made it all = possible. TCP/IP would have been nice for nodes but complexity and extra circuit = costs raised the price for the nodes. A low node price is probably the most important factor possibly after ease of installation. My first attemt was to use a 485 and build a simple yet capable system = with them (http://eda.sourceforge.net/mumin/) One important thing for me was = that a node should indentify itself when it is installed in the network. = Also it should be able to draw some power from the wires. This is solved in M.U.M.I.N. To keep it really simple all nodes are seen as a device with = a set of registers and the protocol is built around this. This is the = same abstraction level that is used for IC-circuits. Today I can still see some use for M.U.M.I.N. nodes but low speed USB = nodes with the same IC abstraction model is more often the best choice. Also Dallas 1-wire is a good choice for relays/switches and other very low = priced pieces. The 1-wire net fullfill all of my original desig goals. One bad thing is that there is pretty hard to implement 1-wite in software. = Anyone tried it? So for a smart House/Office solution one end up with several layers. = TCP/IP for room or complex control situations. 1-wire, USB, something like M.U.M.I.M., LIN (http://www.lin-subbus.org/) for the Last Inch = solutions. The CAN people must have come to the same solution as they developed = LIN as there cheap control net for simple things in cars and other rigid environments. This may be the path to take. It is perfect for the PIC = and the AVR controlers. If the control situation can bear the cost use TCP/IP. Its rock stable = and nice to work with. If price is a concerne don't.... /Ake =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =C5ke Hedman, CC-Systems AB, Box 83, 822 22 ALFTA,Sweden=20 Phone: 46 271 19380 Direct: 46 271 19209 Celluar: 46 70 2314980 Company home: http://www.cc-systems.com Personal home: http://www.eurosource.se/akhe Projects: http://eda.sf.net http://mumin.sf.net -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body