Hi Guys, Thanks for all the answers - some had us in knots with laughter (where exactly is that aforementioned accupoint ;-)). I have not been lucky in tracking down the mobile phone vibrator/micromotors apart from adverts from cellphone resellers. Does anyone have a link to the mfg of such devices? Thanks again, John -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu