Hi everyone, just a quick note to say i've been testing a stripped down version of Richards 2-transistor SMPS buck 5v regulator, I removed a couple of parts and have been testing it in its simplest possible configuration. The good news is that the tiny 1.5mH RF choke i mentioned before is working pretty well, efficiencies over the current range from 10mA out to 70mA out(!!) seem pretty constant, so I think the saturation issue is not as bad as Dave D. and myself thought it would be! Excellent for a resistor-sized inductor you can buy for a few cents. I really haven't tried to get the efficiency right up yet, i'm only using a 1N4148 for the flyback diode, I will try a low Vf diode next. Also the main buck transistor is only a BC327, so I will try a low Vce sat transistor there too. The little cheap inductor has a 9.6 ohm DC resistance, so I'm going to try a lower H and lower R inductor, and play with it to find the upper speed limits of the circuit. Since these BC3?7 transistors are good for 100MHz I think we could get good efficiencies right up in the 100's of kHz range. Even with the parts I have in there now, current gain is about 2:1, at 12v in 10.3mA : 5v out 20mA. Not bad. All in all, for a few cents worth of parts it's looking like it could be refined to be very impressive! -Roman PS. Russell, I tried a variation using NO zener like you were suggesting, using a R:R voltage divider on the output rail and the Vbe of a transistor as the regulator. It regulates ok, and saves one part, but efficiency is not as good as the transistor must be ON to turn Q1 off, where Richards original circuit is very efficient as nothing turns on until the output voltage drops, which is better for low current situations. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body