Peter: "Both or none. I meant the cover joints normally used in RF proof equipment boxes, with a channel and an o-ring clad with wire (and sometimes flashing), as compared to oven doors. The simple box joints get it down by 40-55 dB in VHF/UHF in my experience, and they are more complex than the oven door joint." I've had extensive experience sweeping and tuning both commercial and amatuer band duplexers at between 50 MHz and 1300 MHz. I've also designed, modeled and built duplexers for use in this same range of frequencies. (A 'duplexer' allows the simultaneous use of an antenna on two different frequencies - most normally one frequency is receive and the other is transmit. The duplexer supplies the much needed islolation between the two thereby allowing simultaneous, concurrent operation as required in a "repeater".) These duplexers exhibit attentuation values from 40 dB (the simpler designs) to greater than 95 dB attenuation (the better-built commerical designs by the likes of dB Products and Collins). It requires a great deal of skill and the proper equipment using double-shielded (or "Super-flex" Heliax) at times to assure one is not simply seeing coaxial cable leakage (at 150 MHz and up) as opposed to DUT (device under test) 'leakage'. Some of this product uses construction techniques *far* simpler than you describe (i.e. an aluminum cylinder with a tight-fitting cast end-cap fitted with coupling loops and pop riveted in place, *no* gaskets, no finger stock, etc.) - with much better isolation and shielding results than you describe. It makes me wonder - what it is you were using to make these measurements? Were the contacting 'metal' surfaces painted? Were you using double- shielded coaxial cable on your test/measurement instruments? Jim -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu