Thanks for the suggestions & comments - as I noted, it works OK as a relay driver (hence the high inductance) but I was too busy last week to try any changes to make it a straightforward buck regulator. Richard P Dave Dilatush cc: Sent by: pic Subject: Re: [EE]: Design Challenge - low power step down switching regulator microcontrolle r discussion list 27/08/01 11:14 Please respond to pic microcontrolle r discussion list Richard Prosser wrote... >How about something like this. >The circuit attached is used to drive a 5V(~15mA) relay off a supply >ranging from about 20 to 70V. >I can't guarantee all the component values but they are about right. The >coil is the relay coil and the current is sensed by R7. If R7 became the >load and D1 became a zener at about 5.6V then it should work as a buck >converter. Transistor types are BF422/BF423 or BSR19A/BSR20A for the smt >version. Similarly the IN4148s are actually BAX12 or BAV99. D2 stabilises >the feedback so that the hysterisis is stable with supply voltage. Input >voltage is limited mainly by transistor & diode ratings. I think this circuit is going to end up the winner. After setting this thing up in SPICE and making a few tweaks (see below), I got some really good efficiency results. At 30V in and 5V/20mA out, efficiency was over 75%. With that high an input/output differential, and that low an output current, that's a pretty impressive figure. The efficiency holds up well even at Iout = 10 mA, which is downright amazing. As much as I liked my own design, this one has it beat both in cost and efficiency. For a micropower switcher, it's going to be hard to do any better than this. The changes I made while fooling around with it are as follows: 1. Added a 100uF filter cap at the output, across the load (you have to have one, otherwise it won't likely oscillate); 2. Changed L1 to 2.2mH to reduce cost/size; 3. Reduced R5 to 47K to increase Q2's base drive a little; 4. Eliminated R1 and C2, tying Q1's emitter directly to the output; 5. Eliminated R8 and D2, and tied the right-hand end or R9 directly to the top of L1. 6. Made D1 a 1N4734 (5.6V) Zener diode and flipped it over; and 7. Rearranged D1, R10 and R2, by connecting R10 directly to the (+) end of D1 and moving R2 to a position between that junction and the junction of R9 and Q1's base (this made a big improvement in line regulation). Nice circuit. Dave -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics