Hello, thanks... I keep getting an error when trying to load a simple program into a pic 16F877 using the epic programmer with the power supply that came with it... the programmer acts like it is erasing and reading, but this may not be so... I'm using the epic programmer with the 40/28 pin zif extenter, is there something else that needs to be set/configured?? this is what I was doing: ' CODE programming error at 0000 ' oscillator ' XT ' code protection ' off ' brown-out ' unabled ' Enable ' watchdog timer ' power-up timer ' brown-out reset ' ' Example program from manual to blink an LED about once a second loop: High PORTD.2 ' Turn on LED Pause 500 ' Delay for .5 seconds Low PORTD.2 ' Turn off LED Pause 500 ' Delay for .5 seconds Goto loop ' Go back to loop and blink LED forever End -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics