Success! I would like to apologise for wasting everyones time. I have just checked my parallel port wiring for what must be the 20th time (NO EXAGERATION) and found I had two ground and ack confused! Anyway, after a quick change I successfully programmed my first PIC!! Now the interesting bit of seeing if my own software works ;-) regards James Fitzsimons -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads