An ongoing theme is "how can I supply eg 5 volts from a much higher voltage supply without excessive power dissipation?" I have a design I would like to share that will meet many such needs cheaply and simply. Rather than reveal it immediately I propose a design challenge along the lines below. Hopefully some useful ideas will come out of this. Requirement Step down voltage regulator suitable for powering small low voltage circuits from a higher voltage supply with a reasonable power dissipation. Overall figure of merit = finished cost while meeting design specification. Costing rules provided below. Switching regulator for reasonable efficiency. Any topology. Efficiency need not be superb but should be substantially better than an equivalent liner regulator over most of the input range. Power out In this instance "'small" - say a few tens of milliamps Ideally scalable as required. Output voltage Fixed but selectable over say 2 to 12 volts. Output would ideally be useable as is for operating typical processor based circuits but the use of a linear post regulator is acceptable if required. Cost of post regulators not included in costing. . Input voltage Always greater than output. Minimum: as little as 1 volt above design output Maximum: More the better - (preferably at least 50 volts ) A design with a varying input voltage is desirable. Fixed Vin/Vout (eg 24 to 5) designs would be of interest but less useful generally. Output regulation Smaller change the better Ideally +/- 0.1 volts across all Vin range and across load variation from 10% to 100% Isolation Input to output isolation would be a bonus but is not required. This allows almost any desired regulator topology (buck, flyback, forward, CUK, etc) as desired. Noise / EMC Output noise should be "reasonable" but post filtering for noise may be necessary and is not included in the costing. A design that does not need any post filtering is better. Extra filtering should NOT be required to meet regulation specification. EMC / radiated or conducted noise should be amenable to limiting by normal means. BASIS OF COSTS Components used are costed in Arbitrary economic units as follows. Any relationships to $NZ in volume is entirely coincidental. All names have been changed to protect the guilty. No animals used in testing this product. Each of these units is very approximately 0.5 US cents. This costing is assumed to be proportional to all up cost in an amateur environment. ((Real costs can be scaled by an appropriate factor to match the currency of your choice. )) 1 resistor 1/2w 200v max rated 5 transistor, TO92 pkg, general purpose (BC337 etc) 10 FET small signal TO92. 1 diode, small signal, 75v 150 mA (1N4148) 2 diode, low frequency, 1A, 400 volt (IN400x) 10 Diode, high frequency 10 Cap plastic up to 0.1 uF 20 Cap plastic 0.1 to 1 uF 5 Capacitor electrolytic 1 uF - 10 uF 10 Capacitor electrolytic 10 uF -100 uF 50 Inductor, single winding 10 extra isolated windings 5 extra winding connected to existing winding. 25 Comparator, 4 in pkg (LM339( 30 Opamp, 4 in pkg (LM324) 100 Switching regulator IC (384X, MAX, ... your choice) 50 TO92 Linear regulator (78L05 etc) If you don't find what you need here describe it and suggest an appropriate cost. Also adjust any of the above if you feel it justified (but say why). Provide brief estimated specifications (selectable output range, max and min input range, dropout (minimum in to out voltage), regulation with changes in load and input voltage, noise, limitations and advantages of design. Example: ======= Simple switcher / MAXIM style buck regulator, with input filter cap, output cap, inductor, all internal components Cost Item 15 caps 100 IC - super whizzbang all up one chip 50 1 winding inductor 2 resistors for Vout selection 167 Total Comments: in reality usually more "glue" components would be needed. Most dedicated switching regulator ICs won't work at 50 volts input. A very simple design with low PCB area. Power limited by IC ratings and dissipation. Power switch and flyback diode included in IC ---- INDUCTOR--- | ----------------- | Vin--o---| IC |--o---.----> Vout | ----------------- | == Cin == Cout | | --------------------------------------------- Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads