At 09:30 AM 8/20/01 -0700, you wrote: > Is all this worth the effort to save 50 cents or whatever for a ceramic >resonator with built-in capacitors? The resonator even takes less board >space (unless you go surface mount with the resistor and capacitor). It's a cute idea, but I'd go with the resonator. +/-0.5% accuracy, one part, (it can be surface mounted too) and no issues with line voltage noise screwing things up. I don't see a lot of use for a transformerless power supply with a baud rate generator, but there are undoubtedly some. Resonators are dirt-cheap in large quantity, and are very robust. I see four basic application areas: no accurate timing required: use RC(preferably internal calibrated) or LC (5-10% accuracy, or worse) (cost $0.00 to $0.05 in qty) baud rate timing: use a resonator (0.5% accuracy) (cost $0.10 in qty) accurate timing (maybe + baud rate): use a HF crystal with capacitors (cost $0.20-0.30 in qty) real-time clock: " use one of above + a 32.768kHz watch "tuning fork" crystal + capacitors) (above cost + 0.20 in qty) Of course there will always be special cases... Best regards, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com Contributions invited->The AVR-gcc FAQ is at: http://www.bluecollarlinux.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads