> Try trimming your toe-nails with either side. You will > DEFINITELY notice the difference !!! Remind me never to ask to borrow your cutters Zim. Not as bad as shaking hands with an old friend you meet leaving a sperm bank but....... I've a very nice pair of ultra-flush cutters that are so sharp and well-aligned they just breeze through leads. I don't think I could make anything less than spring steel fly. They cost, but it was worth it to be able to make a nice flat cut as close to the PCB as you want to get. What's the old saying - "a bad workman blames his tools" ? -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.