I believe Microchip is going to release a new version of ICD soon. All I know it is going to include the 18Fxxxx and that it going to cost more. Anybody know what else is new? Quentin -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads