> Got any specific examples of these models? BMW 5-series is the one I was asked to help with. Have to admit that I haven't actually traced the airflow path. I just discovered the blown engine, the BMW mechanic said it was from ingesting water. Another mechanic friend said that "many newer cars are bottom breathers" (I don't have any specific examples from that statement). Since the owner was driving in a rapidly flooding parking lot in water nearly up to the door sills when the car stalled, and the engine never ran again (actually, never turned over again), I accepted the bottom breathing, water ingestion diagnosis. Completely unrelated: this was a bit of an eye opener for me - I don't drive this type of car - I drive "extremely inexpensive" stuff, to be polite. The car's owner told me BMW wanted $15,000US for the engine and $2,000 to put it in - figures I found truly staggering. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu